Retired w/ $9.5 million In Assets

decency

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Recently, we lost my father due to natural causes at the age of 72. He left my mother, age 71, in a very healthy financial position, with $8,000,000 spread between IRA's, an IRA annuity, and taxable accounts. Also, she owns a modest home on the East Coast and one in South Florida, both of which are fully paid for, except for her monthly HOA's and taxes. I would estimate her combined real estate holdings to be about $1,500,000. She lives modestly, on about $130,000/year. Her only indulgence is going out to dinner nightly, but those are casual meals with friends, certainly not steak and lobster. No cooking for her anymore. She earned it. She will soon be required to take RMD's of about $165,000/year.

She really has no idea where she stands financially. My father always made sure she was taken care of but didn't necessarily discuss their retirement investments with her at length. They always used and still use a very trusted asset manager, and I have assured her that she will live very comfortably for the rest of her days, probably 20-25 years.

Anyway, my niece, her youngest granddaughter, was born severely disabled and will require lifelong care, which is expensive and will become increasingly expensive as she grows older. My mother's biggest concern is that when she dies, she will be able to have a sizeable fund set up for her granddaughter's long-term care. Her parents, do everything they can for her, but my mother does help out, due to the significant financial burden it is on them, but they never look for handouts. Truthfully, I think my sister and brother-in-law are heroes for doing what they do for their daughter. Their family was dealt a very bad hand.

So, my question comes down to this. Where do you think her assets will be in 20-25 years? I would assume she will want to sell the house in Florida at some point when she is older, or move there and sell the East Coast house. I would assume those proceeds would be rolled into her other investments in some way or another. With her modest, currently healthy, life do you think she will be able to do what she wants for her granddaughter, while also leaving for her other grandchildren, who she holds very close to her heart as well?
 
@decency $130k/yr is about 2% of $8m. Unless her spending patterns change, she will likely leave more than what she currently has.

Her RMDs will get larger. Have her open a regular HYSA or Brokerage acct for what she doesn’t spend.
 
@yakob123 At that asset level, Id suggest redirecting RMDs to be reinvested, there is no cash need at all that would warrant a HYSA.

Most of the planning should be with an Estate Planner and ensuring they have used applicable exemptions (didnt see which state....) and trust planning.
 
@yakob123 Do a lot of people sell off investments as RMDs, pay tax on it, then immediately put it in another brokerage account? Wouldn’t that new one also be subject to RMDs?
 
@alexb23 RMDs are for tax advantaged accounts (401k, etc) only. So if she reinvests in a regular old brokerage she would just pay capital gains taxes on the growth after it grows.
 
@alexb23 there's no RMDs on brokerage accounts. RMDs are in place for things like 401k and IRA accounts, not Roth IRA though. RMDs exist to force a withdrawal and pay taxes on the money that has been tax advantaged when it went in.
 
@decency Advisor here (not hers but my clients are in similar situations). She needs some complex planning here as there’s potential estate tax, long term care, and special needs planning issues down the pipeline. Some of these needs are state specific. There’s also potential to get creative with gifting and philanthropy to minimize taxation i.e. qualified charitable distributions from her IRA will satisfy her RMD and reduce taxes. A skilled advisory team can help a ton here and their fee will be worth every penny.
 
@nonebutjesus Ask around. Meet with several. Invest the time. I work with clients all over the country and even some ex-pats. I always recommend that prospects meet with others to see how they mesh with each. This business is all about trust and my value is measured by more than how i perform vs. an arbitrary index.
 
@lalaland777 Estate over the 2024 limits and nervously eyeing the changes coming in 2026. Recent transactions have given us realized assets vs vague investments that I had undervalued as a self defense mechanism. :). So we’ve started exploring more extensive estate planning and BDITs were presented to us over regular trusts. Seemed aggressive (see my mindset above), but also an intriguing way to protect the estate while maintaining some control. They suggested none of our parents establish the trust so that we could be be beneficiaries and yet also have control. I need to do more research into how effective these are - do they hold up? - and the in and outs of setting them up and using vs a traditional trust.
 
@rehpic At that level of estate, source a few estate attorneys and try to build a consensus for yourself. There are several ways to accomplish passing down a legacy while minimizing taxation. Gifting, philanthropy, trusts, etc. Really depends on the family situation and goals.

I’ll happily chat through this with you more if you wish.

But whatever you do don’t get your advice from an insurance salesperson :)
 
@decency I looked at the numbers, and you keep saying modest lol.

1.5m in RE... modest

130k annual spend with no debts..... modest

But anyway, 8m (or even 9.5m if you sell the property) invested while only withdrawing ~2% will leave a lot of money leftover when she passes. Money invest generally doubles every 10 years or so depending on how it's invested. More equities will do better most of the time.

Given the amount of assets, I would also start to consider annual gifts up to the IRA max, to family members that are expected to receive these assets when she passes. The reason for this is because there's a good chance if she lives several more years the portfolio would be above the lifetime gift amount, which can be heavily taxed when she passes. I'm not an expert in that area, but I'd look into it.

Also, c'mon man, you don't need to disguise this post as "Will there be enough for the grandkids?". We know you just want to know how much money YOU will get when she passes lol. It's not selfish, these kind of things should be thought about when thinking about your own future. I just found that funny reading. Unless they blow this money somehow, you and your family should be getting quite a large amount of money.

Edit: I just remembered the lifetime gift amount is scheduled to go DOWN in 2026. It's scheduled to be cut in half. Just another consideration.
 
@prayingkelly Does the lifetime gift limit usually matter when dealing with potential inheritance taxes? I thought they were two separate things that have no bearing on each other, at least in my state.
 
@momto3 Gifts given during your life reduce your estate tax exemption threshold. You can currently gift up to $18k/year (2024) per child from each spouse. The current estate tax exemption threshold is $13.6M per person ($27.2M for married filing jointly), but this is set to sunset in 2026 to 2017 amounts ($5.6M per person) if congress doesn't adopt any changes between now and then. Given the amount of inflation we have seen since the TCJA was adopted in 2017, I imagine the $5.6M number will at least be inflation adjusted.
 

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