Need some guidance

demetre

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All right. I’m aware that this has been asked many times. I’ve been a lurker mainly. Don’t really post much on Reddit tbh. Anyways. I need help on how to go about it. How do one even find an agent that doesn’t “sell” but actually takes time to explain and explain what policies are etc. I’m 28. W a family. Trying to really look towards the future and protect all of us. I’ve seen many who said term life 40. Or whole life etc. I’m not exactly clear on what I’m supposed to look for. To make the best choice in a sense. Generally I’d like a broad knowledge sense or guideline. Something i can refer to.
 
@demetre Ask family, friends, co-workers for a recommendation.

Ultimately, you’re going to need to feel this out yourself and be strong enough to back away if you’re feeling pressure.

Here is my 2 cents as a non-agent but someone connected to the business:

Don’t think of life insurance as a one-time transaction. Start by obtaining term insurance to cover 10x your salary or as much as you can reasonably afford. The shorter the term length the cheaper the premium. My spouse and I bought 30 year terms to cover our mortgage and 20 year terms to protect our young family. 5-6 years later we revisited and bought more term since our finances changed. Several years later we added some permanent coverage. For context, the permanent insurance we added was whole life policies designed to be fully paid in 10 years. The death benefit was roughly 10% of our term amounts and the premium
costs were nearly equal to our term premiums in total.

If all else fails you’re welcome to run by what any agent proposes through this sub - use a throwaway account if you want to add specifics for people to help confirm/refute recommendations.
 
@hannahjane This is where i get lost. You got term which is mainly just death benefit. Correct ? One to protect each other. And another for kids. And then you bought another term 5-6 years later. Why add another term to the 30 year and 20 year already have ? And WL added after that. Which pays out in 10 years. I know we try not to divulge a lot of info. Helping me see the bigger picture or what you guys envisioned. Would help.

Sorry if i ask.
 
@demetre Correct. Term provides a death benefit in the cheapest premium but as a trade off the coverage effectively ends at the end of the period.

The second time I bought term we simply added more 20 year coverage to get to go from 10 to about 20x current salary.

The whole life doesn’t pay out in 10 years but we are done paying premiums at 10 years. The coverage will continue to grow beating inflation and last my whole life leaving final expenses covered and some extra for the family.
 
@demetre It all starts with the “why” my friend.
Do you need life insurance to cover debts, a mortgage, etc? How much debt do you have?
The answer to this will give you insight into how much of a death benefit you need.

If so, how long until those debts will be cleared? The answer to that question will give you insight into how long your term will need to be.

Do you need it to replace your income? Are you the sole financial provider of your income or do you have a spouse that contributes?
If you needed it to replace all or some of your income, how many years of income replacement do you need?
The answer to this will give you insight into how much of a death benefit you need.

Whatever the answer is for face amount, add 5-10k for funeral expenses.

Most carriers have options that are a combined term/whole. For example it would be 500k for 30 years, and after that expires you’ll have 25k for the rest of your life.
I very frequently meet with couples in their 60s/70s who had Term their whole life, then it expired, now they’re worried about replacing each others income or funeral expenses and can’t afford the coverage they need because they’re old.
Keep that in mind.

You’re young enough that you’ll get really great rates that will be locked in. As inflation continues to grow, the cost of your insurance will not. These two reasons are legitimately the only reasons I might recommend whole life to someone who is younger.

I’ve always met with clients in their later years who got a whole life policy in place when they were younger and they never regret it.

In my appt process I’ll always walk through all of someone’s monthly expenses with them - so they know how much they need to keep up with monthly.
Then we’ll get conservative estimates of their take home and their spouses take home so we can roleplay a few different scenarios.
I could share that Financial Roleplay Form with you so you guys can do it yourselves.

Good luck!
 
@seekeroftruth0 Thank you for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it. And that gave me some insights indeed. If you’re ok with sharing the form. Please do. Anything will help. I appreciate it again.
 
@demetre I hate these posts (no offense OP).

There is some very simple methodology behind insurance needs. Any broker who has done the proper coursework (not just an insurance license) or has been in the business for a handful of years can help you identify and decipher exactly what you need.

Google "life insurance brokers in "city"" Check their websites and make sure they're independent (offering multiple carriers). Check your state's department of insurance and verify their licenses. Interview a few agencies and see who you connect with the best.

There is no perfect solution here and you have to put in some work. You're better off vetting the agencies than trying to figure out your best course of action. After all, you have to use an agency anyway (even consumer direct companies technically use agents). You might as well make them work for their commission.
 
@demetre No problem. If you use an independent broker, they'll guide you.

It's no different than your P&C coverage. You don't really know what you need on auto and home. You rely on an agent to help you.

Do the same here.
 
@demetre This is what I have learned in the last 3 years.

Term insurance is cheap death benefit that expires and cost a lot to renew if you out live the original term and want to re up. They are usually level premium.

Convertible Term is a little more expensive death benefit, but converts to whole life if you choose to do so. They are usually level premium.

Whole life Insurance is quite a bit more expensive death benefit but as long as you hold up your end of the contract ( pay your premium), it is a guaranteed death benefit that pays out when you die. They are level premium. There are different kinds of policies with different paid up terms (7-pay 10-pay, paid up at....) meaning the policy requires no more premium after it is paid up BUT is still in force for the rest of your life.

Convertible term and Whole life are better from a mutual, non direct recognition company.

Whole life contracts offer loan provisions. You can borrow against your death benefit up to roughly 90% of your cash surrender value (current value of the death benefit). Loans are from the insurance companies general fund and have no affect on you policy. There is an interest rate associated with this (Because you're borrowing the insurance company's money) but the pay back schedule is flexible. I think the Universal Products offer this also but am not sure.

Universal products are annually renewing term policies with a side investment account attached to them. They are considered permanent insurance but have a tendency to implode later in life because the cost of insurance eats away at the investment account.

Term is heavily promoted by the financial entertainers and wall street types.

Whole life is miss understood and often looked at as an investment product.

Universal products were developed by the insurance companies to offer insurance and investment options combined.
 

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