Last pockets of affordability for a detached house in “central central” Tokyo

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(Yes, this is a Tokyo centric thread, please spare the “who cares / life is much better elsewhere” replies).

By central central I mean inside the Yamanote or just adjacent to it (west Shinjuku, Shinsen, Daikanyama, Tabata etc).

The post-Bubble couple of decades in which a small detached house (still the preferred type of residence for most Japanese) in central Tokyo was accessible to a middle class family (say household income of 7-8 million, borrowing 50-60 million) are coming to an end - maybe you can still find a tiny handful of detached houses inside the Yamanote for that budget - and it seems pretty likely that prices are going to continue an upward march, even factoring in some modest BoJ rate rises.

Tokyo real estate is now becoming a global asset class in the same way as London / NY (in fact in terms of affordability relative to income the city now ranks behind these). With the weak yen money is pouring into central property, especially from elsewhere in Asia.

Also as the city becomes more high-rise the amount of land available for single-family homes is decreasing (and several wards including Setagaya have imposed minimum plot sizes to make it harder to build). Try and get anything under 1-2 oku in Minato now, that isn’t on borrowed land or a postage stamp plot - it’s impossible.

That said I’m interested in people’s thoughts on areas of the city which still seem undervalued, relative to location / QoL. As an example, Bunkyo-ku was clearly undervalued (given its proximity to the city centre and leafy atmosphere) 10-15 years ago, but now is insane with even cramped used homes over 1 oku, same as Minato-ku.

My thoughts - I would bet on Toshima ward being the “next Bunkyo”, especially inside the Yamanote line, due to centrality / popularity with students / fairly pleasant atmosphere. Also the swathe north of Shinjuku around Takadanobaba, Totsuka and Okubo has some potential for price growth. Yanaka area has some bargains still, if you are willing to do some renovation (the stock is very old in that area). Ochiai, Komagome also seem undervalued. (There are some areas like Uguisudani which are undeniably cheaper but which I think will struggle to shed the sleazy reputation). In the south…perhaps around Gotanda which has become a bit more gentrified recently (although already expensive because of proximity to Ebisu / Meguro).
 
@bigoink I haven't followed the real estate market of downtown Tokyo in a while but Edogawa and also, although less so, Koto, have always been super affordable compared to their location.

Mainly because of flooding risks so you'd have to take the risk.

Tokyo can only become a global asset until the next big one. Everyone who lievd here in 2011 can remember the massive number of rich expats that just took off within a day and never came back.

Wait until the next big shake and suddenly a pricey apartment in Paris will look a lot more interesting than a mansion apartment in Minato...
 
@a1235 I agree there’s a considerable amount of natural disaster risk that has to be priced in but, to use your example, the 2011 quake ended up being a blip in the growth of Tokyo house prices during the 2010s.

I think that modern construction methods have also made a big difference - buildings are far less likely to collapse now. If you look at the Noto Peninsula quakes from January, most of the houses that collapsed were built before the big code revision of the early 80s.

Edogawa ward is still relatively affordable under 50 million yen. Not sure what the growth potential is like.
 
@bigoink The thing about quakes and any big city is the after effects. It hasn’t happened yet but if/when the big one hits close - there’s no escape, lots of people, not enough aid getting in and no way out, plus fire hazards
 
@bigoink A good land in Edogawa ward with about 100 sqm would cost above 50 million right now. Add another 20 million for building. The growth potential is until there is a major flood in the area. I doubt the prices would decrease though, just stay stagnant until people forget the tragedy or new people from abroad come live in the area.
 
@bigoink Ota ward seems pretty good for proximity/cost for now. I think one could argue for the same for places like Itabashi and Kita but honestly some of the cheaper places in those wards are basically Saitama.

Personally long term I wouldn't be comfortable holding/living in places like Edogawa. Global warming is going to make storms and adverse weather events more powerful.
 
Also amongst Japanese people, it seems the consensus might be that Kita-Senju might meet your requirements. That's pretty far out though
 
@bigoink I don’t think just being inside the Yamanote necessarily makes it all that desirable of an area. The west side of Shibuya, Meguro and Shinagawa are all much nicer neighborhoods then say the north inside the loop but close to Saitama. Also the west side yamanote areas of Tokyo will always be more desirable than the east side shitamachi areas.

Where we’re building (MusashiKoyama, Togoshi, Ebara, area) I wouldn’t say it’s affordable, but there’s lots of options for new houses under 1oku and the property values are almost certainly going to steadily increase.
 
@bigoink You said how much you are borrowing but not how much you have as deposit. That affects how much you can spend.

With limited budget, generally a “back house” will be cheaper. A back house being when a plot of land is split in two, with one house built at the front and one at the back. That back house will usually have houses on all 4 sides and often opaque windows, so limited views and limited sunlight. But can be 20-40% cheaper than the equivalent front house.

These days I hear apartments are more popular than houses tho.
 
@darrellgc I was thinking more about location, but yes, that or the flagpole lots where there’s a narrow drive and the house is mostly tucked behind another. Any houses inside the Yamanote under 50 million yen or so are now pretty much guaranteed unrebuildable because there’s no road access.
 

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