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@boxnes Climate change is a movement. There's no single, central person or entity behind it. It's a collective of different groups using it to push their own interests.

It started from fringe scientists, where their findings are demanding more funding to keep their employment and relevancy going.

World leaders have also jumped on board, while living in mansions and flying around the world on private jets, purchasing coastline properties (I thought they were going underwater?)

Governments use climate change as a reason to increase taxes.

You have vegans jumping on board to push their ideology. Save the planet by going vegan! Eat bugs and plants! It's the only way!

You have the watermelons using the movement to push socialism. Yes, we allmust become socialist to save the planet, it's the only way!

You have elites and top 1%ers using it to control the serfs, such as the dystopian visions from the world economic forum. You will own nothing and you will be happy.

You have looney acolytes yelling in the streets, gluing themselves to the road.

Oil, coal and gas are the cheapest sources of energy for now. They might be massive, corrupt and greedy cartels, but they are still the most reliable and affordable sources of energy. If they weren't, than India
and China, as well as other emerging economies would be reducing their demand, not increasing it.

Renewable energy is cheap for the first 20% of evergy demand, but after that it becomes irrationally too expensive and we still need a baseload energy supply or we will face constant shortages and blackouts. Batteries and nuclear are storage and reliable baseload alternatives, but batteries are expensive and wasteful, and nuclearphobes won't touch it.

Children in our schools such as OP are getting indoctrinated that the world is ending, and it's giving them mass fear, anxiety and compliance and wilingness to do anything to prevent it. The teachers are saying it, so it must be true, the all knowing teachers! Yes, fund more research, increase our taxes, eat bugs, become vegan, become socialist, live poor in the dark, it's the only way to save the planet!
 
@aned Basically your only argument against renewable power is that we haven't structured historical energy architecture around renewable power.

As an honest question, do you think fossil fuels represent the human races' ultimate energy technology, never to be improved? If not, how would you propose moving to an improved alternate energy source without upsetting you?
 
@boxnes Not at all.

You've created quite the strawman out of me.

I wasn't arguing 'against renewables'. I was comparing their cost and usefulness to oil and coal.

No I do not think that they are the ultimate energy technology. All energy sources can be improved and made to be more efficient, reliable and safe with research and technology.
 
@aned
No I do not think that they are the ultimate energy technology. All energy sources can be improved and made to be more efficient, reliable and safe with research and technology.

So you're basically saying you'll be in full support of renewables when/if their efficiency improves. They have improved greatly over the last 10 years and will continue to improve, so your support is just a matter of time yeah?
 
@karengodsgirlk2 We have been told the world will end in 8-9 years from climate change for the last 40 years. Why would I dedicate my life to making life choices now, that do nothing but pump money in to the hands of the people spouting the doom and gloom.

People like Al Gore who also predicted the end of the world due to Y2K (yes I'm that old). I am not saying we shouldn't change things, but most climate change activists live in la la land. They buy BEV and charge off coal, want to change things without any idea to the actual process, and believe the horse shit on social media.

So if you are truly basing your life around climate change, I'm sorry for you. I hope you get help.
 
@karengodsgirlk2 If you are truly scared of climate change, do some actual research on climate change. Most of the information on climate change is BS, not all but most. The truth is in the middle somewhere, you just need to use your brain, make informed decisions and views. A lot of these so called experts are getting paid a lot of money to spout skewed facts, that is both ways.

But I'm old so what do I know.
 
@racooracoo It's all good, yeah there is tons of misinformation floating around. Just straight up downloading the IPCC report and reading the data itself was easier than trying to navigate that minefield lol
 
@racooracoo
We have been told the world will end in 8-9 years from climate change

Completly false its never been claimed climate change will cause the end of the world in short timeframes.

You are a fool. The scientist's are perfectly clear climate change is real and proven the consequences will be very severe.
 
@resjudicata I guess you can't use google. Unfortunately I am old and I remember being told more than once that if we don't tackle climate change in 8-9 years the world will end, so I don't have to google it, I remember it.

I also didn't say 'climate change' wasn't real, just in case you had trouble understanding the basic english I used.

Just because you think I am a fool does not make the statement fact. Just as the statement "The scientist's are perfectly clear climate change is real and proven the consequences will be very severe." is also not a fact, just a statement, that has not been proven, even thought certain people and organisations like to claim it is a fact.

Believe what you like, but just because you throw a tanty and make a lot of noise, doesn't mean your right. It also does not mean I have to agree with you.
 
@karengodsgirlk2 I don't see why choosing to spend your life enjoying yourself instead of being a slave to hustle culture is seen as a bad thing. Nothing wrong with not being a drone to capitalism.

With inflation, climate change, housing crisis and other issues, our generation is seeing that working hard has significantly less benefits that there was for previous generations.
 
@karengodsgirlk2 I’m not sure about using extra time to ‘prep’ but people are starting to adjust their lifestyle and life choices in response to it.

A few things I noticed with my clients and among friends include -

•Increased focus on flood and sea level rise predictions for due diligence prior to property purchase.
•Increased adoption of sustainable fuel sources to minimise dependence on traditional forms (EVs, solar, etc)
•More child free families / fewer children.
•Prioritising travel to places that will look very different in the next 10-20 years rather than the standard holiday destinations.
 
@thursday Yeah, this is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Especially with property purchase. I'm pretty much wondering if people will use their time to prepare in a practical way. Because if they had extra time, a busy job can't be used as a reason to ignore it.
 
@polygon This is a pretty good summary. Pristine earthers are not human flourishing environmentalist even though they pretend they are. Everyone should be wary of them.

Edit: Once again I am getting down voted. The video didn't say climate change isn't real(like they did), just that its not the emergency that some people think it is. This is mostly because of technology. The people who are selling it as an emergency are the same people who have been selling theories that we would be out of food by now back in 1970. OFC the data doesn't support anything they are saying and nearly the opposite is true. The Earth is greening heavily. Food production is way up. Lots of endangered species are being protected and bouncing back.
 
@karengodsgirlk2 People have been complaining about the rising cost of insurance. This is mainly because of floods and fires etc around the world.

You read about the uber rich tech guys going to survival seminars and spending up big on bunkers (and, even more ridiculously, islands) to escape global heating and its effects.

Other people are wondering where and how they're going to live after being flooded or burnt out multiple times. (Lismore, Auckland, towns along the Murray, etc) Add coastal erosion into the mix and more people are starting to feel the effects.

It won't be easy for most ordinary people, even in countries like ours where we can afford to pay for recovery and repair, and adaptation. Places like Bangladesh where there's the added problem of poor infrastructure and high population mostly living on flood-prone areas will be much worse off. So add in finding homes in countries around the world for millions of climate migrants over coming years.

A lot of people on this sub don't "believe" in science, so they scoff at what lies ahead. If they're able to hang onto their $300k/year job and especially if they prepare for the changes to come, they'll probably not be worried about the majority who are affected. If they have children, it'll be a different story for them (and a different world).

The best antidote for stress is usually action. Not easy, and doesn't always help. Posts like the OPs are a good start to get more people thinking and taking action, or at least voting in responsible people who will take action.
 
@karengodsgirlk2 Cost of transitioning to a completely sustainable energy solution worldwide 10T.
Cost of maintaining a fossil fuel energy system worldwide this past 20 years 14T.

Considering the sustainable one is now the more economical solution due to economies of scale and price decreases I think climate change should no longer be a concern of yours.
 

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