A View Inside the Timeline and Economics of the Simultaneous Sale and Purchase of Real Estate

banky

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After nearly six years in our current home, my wife and I decided early in 2017 to sell and buy a bigger place. I went online looking for PF posts from people who had shared their experience of buying and selling simultaneously, or other blogs or resource discussing the process and economics of doing both transactions at once, and I couldn’t find much. Since I track my spending closely, as well as my calendar, I realized I could pull something together to help others in the future. Below, I’ll lay out the basics of what we were doing, some items that were unique to our situation, and then a blow-by-blow of the process, every penny spent, and the net impact on our finances every step of the way.

Your process will be different from mine. Your numbers will be different, too. This isn’t meant to be a definitive, end-all-be-all guide, but rather a view into what we experienced and what it took for us to get through this. Hopefully it is helpful to anyone heading into a simultaneous sale and purchase and looking to find out what to expect along the way.



A Primer on the Purchase and Sale Process

Because I’ve seen some confusion in the past, here, in very broad strokes, are the steps involved in selling and buying a home:

Selling:

1 - Hire an agent

2 - Prepare your home for sale

3 - List the property

4 - Show the property

5 - Get offers (and negotiate as necessary)

6 - Accept an offer

7 - Agree on Purchase & Sale (P&S) Agreement terms

8 - Move out

9 - Close the sale, take the money, and hand over the keys



Buying:

1 - Get pre-approved for a mortgage and determine what you can afford

2 - Hire an agent

3 - Tour properties and attend open houses

4 - Make an offer (and negotiate as necessary)

5 - Agree on offer terms

6 - Get a home inspection

7 - Agree on P&S Agreement terms

8 - Get a mortgage

9 - Close the sale, write a big check, and take the keys

10 - Move in

The P&S is usually signed a week after the offer is accepted. The closing is usually 35-40 days after the P&S is signed.

The added complication when doing both things simultaneously is to line up the steps in a way in which you reduce financial risk while also avoiding a period of homelessness.



Our Background

We purchased our first home (a condo) in the Boston area in late 2011 for approximately $450,000. Did a cash-out refinance in summer 2015. Sold it for $700,000 in summer 2017. As part of our sale, we negotiated use and occupancy of our home for three weeks post-sale.

Purchased our new house (a single-family) in the Boston area for $700,000 in summer 2017.

As a requirement for a new mortgage (and, frankly, because of my risk tolerance!) we couldn’t own two homes at the same time – we had to complete the sale of our first home before we could complete the purchase our new home. Ultimately, we made an offer to purchase our new home the day we signed the P&S on our first home, and we closed the sale of our first home a week to the day before we closed the purchase of our new home.



Work Necessary to Sell Our First Home

Generally, you will need to do some work (structural or cosmetic) on your current home to make it sellable, or in an effort to increase the sale price. For us, there were four main buckets of work:

1 - Empty the condo of a lot of our stuff. We had to do this both to give us the ability to more easily refinish our floors and repaint, and so our home looked more attractive and larger in photos and during tours and open houses. In our case, we purchased some boxes for $55, and rented a large storage unit near us at a cost of $268 a month for four months, for a total cost of $1,127.

2 - In the process of emptying our condo, we decided to get rid of three old wardrobes and nine bookcases. We disassembled them ourselves, but hired 1-800-Got-Junk to remove them at a cost of $358. We moved a lot of clothing to storage, but still needed something to organize what was left, and ultimately replaced the wardrobes with a new dresser at a cost of $411.

3 - We repainted our entire condo, and built three new radiator covers. We did all this ourselves, and had material costs of about $535.

4 – We hired someone to refinish and repair our floors, which were nearly 100 years old and needed a lot TLC. In addition to the direct costs of this work, this also involved my family moving into a hotel for the better part of a week while the work was done. Total costs of $6,095.



Other Items of Note

We interviewed three potential real estate agents for our sale, and ultimately decided to hire a Redfin agent. Our buyer’s agent in the process was a different Redfin agent, the same individual we had used to purchase our first home. (One specialized in buying, the other in selling, which is why we have two different agents. You might be able to do both transactions with the same agent.) I mention this not as a plug for Redfin (although I am a very happy customer) but because the economics of using Redfin are different than most traditional realtors. You’ll see an atypically low seller’s agent commission (1.5%) in the list of expenses below, as well as a buyer’s agent rebate ($4,367) that is unique to Redfin.

When selling a home, the seller pays both real estate agents (yours and the buyers) out of the sale proceeds. The amount you pay, a percentage of the sale price, is negotiable. We sold in a very hot market, and as such, only offered 2% to the buyer’s agent during our sale process. Elsewhere, this could be as high as 3% or more.

To have a more competitive offer on our new home, we waived the home inspection. If you are in a market where inspections are still common and accepted, it would normally take place between the acceptance of the initial offer, and the acceptance of the P&S. In our case, I knew I wanted an inspection for my own knowledge, if not for negotiating purposes, so we had one completed between the P&S agreement and final closing. The sellers allowed us access to complete it, and we made clear to them that it was for our informational purposes only, and wouldn’t be used for any negotiations. Ultimately, because of the age of the new home (~120 years), our home insurance company required a copy of the inspection report to insure the property, so it got double use.

Lastly, there are a few unique issues when selling a condo. The buyer’s mortgage company typically requires the seller to complete a notarized condo association questionnaire. Sellers must also produce a notarized 6D Certification, which states that they have no outstanding financial obligations to the condo association or the management company. You’ll see line items below for having our management company complete the paperwork for us for a small fee.



Events, Expenses, and Net Impact on our Finances

Day Vendor / Event Expense Income Net Impact Notes
1
Got mortgage pre-approval
4
Decided to sell/buy
5
Interviewed Realtor #1
16
Interviewed Realtor #2 (Redfin)
22
Interviewed Realtor #3
25
Home Depot
$ 215.41

$ (215.41)
Sale: Paint, supplies, etc.

25
Self Storage
$ 268.00

$ (483.41)
Sale: Storage unit - Month 1

25
Self Storage
$ 8.00

$ (491.41)
Sale: Storage unit lock

27
Agreed to Sell with Redfin
30
Uhaul
$ 55.20

$ (546.61)
Sale: Boxes

32
Star Market
$ 16.00

$ (562.61)
Sale: Newspapers for wrapping glasses, plates

34
800 Got Junk
$ 209.00

$ (771.61)
Sale: Book case removal

39
Home Depot
$ 62.56

$ (834.17)
Sale: Paint, supplies, etc.

40
Home Depot
$ 98.79

$ (932.96)
Sale: Paint, supplies, etc.

45
Home Depot
$ 47.88

$ (980.84)
Sale: Paint supplies

49
Target
$ 63.28

$ (1,044.12)
Sale: Furniture pads

51
Hotel
$ 2,144.95

$ (3,189.07)
Sale: Hotel while floors are being refinished

51
Floor Refinishing Company
$ 3,600.00

$ (6,789.07)
Sale: Floor refinishing

53
IKEA
$ 411.13

$ (7,200.20)
Sale: New dresser, etc.

54
Home Depot
$ 59.19

$ (7,259.39)
Sale: Paint, supplies, etc.

55
Home Inspection by Realtor Ahead of Photos
56
Home Depot
$ 5.99

$ (7,265.38)
Sale: Glass glue to repair broken ceiling light

57
Star Market
$ 10.00

$ (7,275.38)
Sale: Flowers for staging

57
Self Storage
$ 268.00

$ (7,543.38)
Sale: Storage unit - Month 2

57
Photos Taken for Home Sale Listing
60
Home Depot
$ 180.69

$ (7,724.07)
Sale: Radiator wood, paint

61
Home Depot
$ 19.57

$ (7,743.64)
Sale: Radiator wood

63
800 Got Junk
$ 149.00

$ (7,892.64)
Sale: Dresser removal

63
Home Depot
$ 67.20

$ (7,959.84)
Sale: Radiator wood, paint

64
Listed Current Home for Sale
66
Private Tours
67
Open House
68
Open House
69
Private Tours
70
Offer Accepted to Sell Current Home
70
Initial Deposit from Buyers

$ 1,000.00
$ (7,959.84)
Sale: Held in escrow until closing

73
Condo Management Company
$ 65.00

$ (8,024.84)
Sale: Prepping condo association questionnaire

80
Floor Refinishing Company
$ 350.00

$ (8,374.84)
Sale: Floor repairs

80
Current City
$ 50.00

$ (8,424.84)
Sale: State-mandated smoke detector inspection

80
P&S Deposit from Buyers

$ 34,000.00
$ (8,424.84)
Sale: Held in escrow until closing

80
Signed P&S Agreement on Old Home
80
Made Offer to Purchase New Home
81
Offer Accepted to Purchase New Home
81
Seller's Real Estate Agent (for Escrow)
$ 1,000.00

$ (9,424.84)
Purchase: Initial Deposit on New Home

85
Condo Management Company
$ 50.00

$ (9,474.84)
Sale: 6D Form (all obligations to condo association paid off)

85
Condo Management Company
$ 492.91

$ (9,967.75)
Sale: August Condo Fee Pre-Pay (necessary to release 6D)

87
Signed P&S Agreement on New Home
87
Self Storage
$ 268.00

$ (10,235.75)
Sale: Storage unit - Month 3

87
Seller's Real Estate Agent (for Escrow)
$ 34,000.00

$ (44,235.75)
Purchase: P&S Deposit on New Home

90
FedEx
$ 33.50

$ (44,269.25)
Purchase: Overnighting mortgage application documents

90
Mortgage Company
$ 408.00

$ (44,677.25)
Purchase: Mortgage processing fee (assessment, etc.)

97
Notary
$ 50.00

$ (44,727.25)
Sale: Document notarization (deed transfer, power of attorney, etc.)

98
USPS
$ 1.40

$ (44,728.65)
Sale: Postage for legal docs

98
Receive mortgage commitment letter
98
Current City
$ 40.00

$ (44,768.65)
Both: Moving permit (needed at current home)

111
Complete Inspection of New Home
111
Home Inspector
$ 800.00

$ (45,568.65)
Purchase: Home inspection

111
Home Insurance Company
$ 1,630.00

$ (47,198.65)
Purchase: Homeowners insurance, 12-month pre-pay

111
Buyers Complete Pre-Sale Walk Through
115
Complete Sale of Old Home
115
Sale Price of Property

$ 700,000.00
$ 652,801.35
Sale: Mortgage, bank payment, release of deposits

115
Buyer Reimbursement of Condo Fee

$ 333.91
$ 653,135.26
Sale: Reimbursement of remainder of August condo fee

115
Recording Fees and Transfer Taxes
$ 3,192.00

$ 649,943.26
Sale: Closing costs

115
Discharge Tracking Fee
$ 95.00

$ 649,848.26
Sale: Closing costs

115
Overnight Payoff Fee
$ 15.50

$ 649,832.76
Sale: Closing costs

115
Buyer's Broker Payment
$ 14,000.00

$ 635,832.76
Sale: Closing costs: 2.0% of sale price

115
Seller's Broker Payment
$ 10,500.00

$ 625,332.76
Sale: Closing costs: 1.5% of sale price

115
Record 6D
$ 75.00

$ 625,257.76
Sale: Closing costs

115
Record Discharge
$ 75.00

$ 625,182.76
Sale: Closing costs

115
Wire Transfer Fee
$ 50.00

$ 625,132.76
Sale: Closing costs

115
Payoff of Mortgage
$ 467,591.40

$ 157,541.36
Sale: Closing costs

115
Seller Credit
$ 2,000.00

$ 155,541.36
Sale: Closing costs

115
Use & Occupancy Holdback
$ 5,000.00

$ 150,541.36
Sale: Closing costs

115
Legal Fee to Seller's Attorney
$ 750.00

$ 149,791.36
Sale: Closing costs

115
City Taxes
$ 457.73

$ 149,333.63
Sale: Closing costs

115
Wire Transfer Fee (BofA)
$ 60.00

$ 149,273.63
Sale: To accept the transfer into my account

118
Self Storage
$ 268.00

$ 149,005.63
Sale: Storage unit - Month 4

118
Receive initial closing disclosure for purchase



118
Receive "clear to close" from mortgage bank



120
Transfer money for closing to escrow ($113,221.53)



121
U-Haul
$ 96.11

$ 35,687.99
Both: Boxes for packing

122
Complete Purchase of New Home
122
Loan Origination Fee
$ 895.00

$ 148,110.63
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Credit Report
$ 75.00

$ 148,035.63
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Hazard Insurance Tracking
$ 31.00

$ 148,004.63
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Tax Service Fee
$ 93.00

$ 147,911.63
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Title - Closing/Escrow Fee
$ 650.00

$ 147,261.63
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Title - Municipal Lein Certificate
$ 25.00

$ 147,236.63
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Title - Survey
$ 125.00

$ 147,111.63
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Title - Title Examination Fee
$ 250.00

$ 146,861.63
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Title - Title Insurance
$ 1,400.00

$ 145,461.63
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Recording Fees
$ 400.00

$ 145,061.63
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Prepaid Interest
$ 751.78

$ 144,309.85
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Property Taxes
$ 1,265.52

$ 143,044.33
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Homestead Prep Fee
$ 75.00

$ 142,969.33
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Title - Owners Title Insurance
$ 1,575.00

$ 141,394.33
Purchase: Closing costs

122
City/Town Taxes
$ 610.23

$ 140,784.10
Purchase: Closing costs

122
Additional Funds From Buyer
$ 105,000.00

$ 35,784.10
Purchase: In addition to $35,000 deposit and $560,000 mortgage

122
Seller Rebate for Contract Violation

$ 500.00
$ 36,284.10
Purchase: House not completely cleaned out

124
U-Haul
$ 238.61

$ 36,045.49
Both: To move things out of storage unit

129
Moving Company
$ 2,030.00

$ 34,015.49
Both

140
Redfin Rebate

$ 4,367.49
$ 38,382.98
Purchase: Rebate from buyer's agent

165
Security Deposit Repaid by Buyer

$ 5,000.00
$ 43,382.98
Sale: Refund of security deposit paid for use of condo after sale



Take-Aways

Every purchase and sale is different. In our case, from start to finish, the process took a bit over four months, and required us to pay just about $50,000 out of pocket before we received the proceeds from our sale and turned cash positive. Your transaction might go faster or slower, cost more or less, but it’s important to realize that these things take time, and require you to put up some amount of money along the way. Plan ahead, and have money available.

Interview multiple real estate agents. We were convinced we were going to work with the first person we met with, a traditional broker who had a great track record of selling condos in our building. When we met her, she was a total dud – unenthusiastic, off on her numbers, etc. Honestly, it sent us reeling and wondering if we were totally wrong on our understanding of our home’s value. The second and third brokers we interviewed were much, much better.

Expect that things will go wrong. (When we did our inspection a few hours before buying our new place, we found that the previous owners had moved out while leaving a ton of their stuff behind. Thanks, guys!) Roll with it when they do. Rely on your agent, mortgage broker, and lawyer – they’ve seen it all and know what to do.

If you’re married or otherwise partnered, I would strongly recommend that one of you be in charge of the purchase and sale. It makes life easier for everyone you work with if they have a single person to go to, rather than wondering if they need to hear back from both of you. It also guarantees that no one makes a decision having missed an important piece of information. If you do this, the other spouse/partner has to be completely bought in to the idea.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly: You’ll see that we sold our first home for the exact same amount we purchased our new home. By moving two towns over, we got three times as much space, a detached two-car garage, and a nice yard, for the exact same dollar value. Buyers often get fixated on a specific town or neighborhood and don’t look nearby. Take the time to look – small distances can make huge differences.
 
@banky I'm always amazed when people actually pull off the buying and selling at the same time. It seems like a logistical nightmare.

For us - our new home closing was delayed almost 3 months due to builder delays and their incompetent financing team. We took out a HELOC to help with the down payment - had the cash, but knew we would spend a fortune moving in and changing things. We carried a triple mortgage for 4 months or so until the old house closed. Twas fun.
 
@banky I'm strongly considering the value of selling to a property flipper.

That "cash value, close when you want" might be worth the lower value.

I know my house needs updating and I might end up losing all of that in time and allowances if I list it.
 
@childofgod43 The discount you have to sell your home at to be attractive to cash flippers is enormous. The value you have to assign to a quick closing in order to make it a net financial benefit is very high.
 
@childofgod43 Yeah the reason you've heard such a big range of offers is because this type of buyer doesn't calculate their offer based on the as-is market value of the home in the first place. Why should they, when they aren't planning to sell it as-is?

Instead, they calculate their offer based on the projected market value after repairs/improvements, minus the cost of those improvements. (EDIT: /@abraham7777 made a good point about this calculation with regard to wholesalers, please read below.) This is why flipped houses tend to all look the same, because the flipper's livelihood depends mainly on accurate estimation. By doing the same upgrades every time, they can get very good at predicting their costs.

They will target some condition that they think makes it really easy to sell, which can depend on the neighborhood in terms of carpet vs. wood, laminate vs. granite, but the more they focus on one strategy the better their estimating and the less likely they are to take a loss.

So it makes a big difference what condition your home is currently in. In general a competent flipper is not going to do any work unless it adds more value than it costs or is absolutely necessary to attract buyers. If your home is functionally okay but needs updating, there are lots of ways to make cosmetic improvements on the cheap that add more value than they cost, particularly because it's more likely the flipper will be able to do the work themselves, and that leads to you getting an offer that is a higher percentage of the home's current market value.

On the other hand, if the flipper's buying a distressed property that needs a new roof, new HVAC, plumbing/electrical, etc. in order to sell at all, they may need to put more money into the work than the value of the home will increase. This leads to you getting an offer that is a lower percentage of the home's current market value.

And of course the neighborhood affects this, the current trends in the market, the particular flipper's style. Some specialize in low tier remodels to attract buyers who intend to rent out, some specialize in the mid-tier cookie cutter granite countertop with Home Depot vanities and fixtures, and yes there are flippers who specialize in higher end neighborhoods and homes.
 
@resjudicata This is true for a flipper, but seller beware, many flippers are not actually in the business of repairing homes and selling them. Most (or a huge plurality) of buyers in this space are Wholesalers. All they do is find distressed properties with desperate sellers and they get it under contract at a huge discount, and sell to investors that will end up flipping the property. There are good reasons to sell to flippers, they will pay you a discounted but often realistic price. You should never sell to a wholesaler.
 
@abraham7777 The wholesaler's price isn't any less realistic than the flipper's price. They still calculate their offer based on the price they expect the sell at, the only difference is who they plan to sell to and how much they can sell it for. Wholesalers sometimes will offer you a guaranteed buyout after a period on the market, which can be a good plan B when you have a super strict deadline. I wouldn't say you should never sell to a wholesaler but it is good to know the difference. What I would say if you need the fast sale is don't just call the first phone number you see stapled to a telephone poll, but I would say that about any sale to be honest.

I did go back and notice that I said "based on the projected market value" which will mislead people who aren't aware of the different markets for distressed homes so I added a note to check your comment out. It's good context.
 
@resjudicata Yea I wasn't trying to correct you, just add some other context. I really think that an informed seller should never sell to a wholesaler, flipping profits are bad enough but why add yet another middleman?
 
@abraham7777 If your deadline for making the sale is unreasonable and beyond your control, and a wholesaler is able to make your bottom line work out, then it could be reasonable to leave some money on the table.
 
@resjudicata
By doing the same upgrades every time, they can get very good at predicting their costs.

That's why all the houses I see on Zillow or Redfin have the exact same bathroom. I was wondering.

Thanks for the info, that actually makes me a bit more positive about prospective offers since some flipped houses in the near area have sold for what I thought was much too much. We shall see.
 
@childofgod43 The bathroom comment is exactly right. Usually when I have remodeled and flipped a property nearby another one I have tried to change up the colors or do a few things differently but I typically use the same "Grade" of equipment so my cost is the same. Standalone bathroom cabinet with sink $X, pick any of 6 colors.
 
@childofgod43 It's not an either/or, you can list your home and pursue "fast cash for your home" ads at the same time. Tons of flippers use the MLS.

For that matter, some inexperienced/small-time flippers will offer you more than they really should because they haven't gotten good at estimating. Sucks for them but your best chance of getting a really attractive cash offer might involve somebody else screwing up and taking a loss down the road.
 
@rachelcgv I just had a colleague go through this. New home build was delayed almost three months. Unfortunately they also had to move out of their old home two and a half months before the new home was ready. They were “fortunate” in that they could live with her in laws for that period of time (with most of their stuff in storage) - a lot of people don’t have that option. She was sooo stressed out!
 
@resjudicata That carries it's own risks/stresses.

In Toronto, Canada last year, many people who had employed this strategy as the government came out with new rules for borrowing, etc. and it cooled the market fairly suddenly. People who had purchased before the rules came into effect were on the hook for the cost of the new home, but when they put their current home on the market, it didn't sell as quickly as they expected.

There were a few stories circulating at the time about people backing out of purchases and getting sued for breach of contract, because that was better than taking on a 700k mortgage and not being sure when your other 700k mortgage would be paid off.
 
@rachelcgv We sold our house with a realtor and bought our current house through a lawyer. Stressful doesn't even begin to describe it. Written into the contract was that had to sell our house by Oct. 1st and it was already late July. Our house didn't appraise for the offer price and the buyers actually had to give us $3k so we could make our new house purchase work. I will be taken out of this house in a body bag before moving again.
 
@rachelcgv Real estate agent here. This doesn't apply to new construction but in most states there are a few easy ways to handle a concurrent buy/sell. The most common and easiest being a contingency of purchase addendum that is included with the purchase contract of the home you are selling. It states that the seller is not obligated to sell their house if for some reason they cannot close on a replacement property. There is also a form for the buying side called the contingency of sale addendum which is the opposite. This one states the buyer (same person selling the other home) is not obligated to purchase the home if the sale of their home does not close for any reason. Using these forms allows you to be in escrow on both the sale of your home and the purchase of your replacement home simultaneously. Ideally you would use the same Realtor and Title/Escrow company so they can ensure a smooth transition. The day your sale closes, your purchase also closes, so you are never homeless nor stuck with two mortgages. You'll want a few days to move out so make sure to still negotiate that into the contract but around here it's a given. If you have a good Realtor the process is smooth as butter.
 

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