31K in Debt - How can I climb out of this debt hole?

@buzzard I ignored my credit card bills ,,,,,,,,,,, blocked all bank phone numbers relating to bills by marking them as spam .......... ignored all mail sent by CCard company ....... 5 months later a debt collection company rang me to say they now owned my dept and how much would I be able to pay per month I chose as little as I could after they told me I only owed the original amount ,less all interest so if u 5000 plus 2000 interest you know only owe the 5000.

3 of my friends did the same after I told them
Hope this helps a bit ....... PS I owed 9580 only had to pay my original 6000
 
@forestux
Do you have a mortgage on the property you own?

Property I own is abroad, no mortgage on it, I cleared it a couple of years ago. Unfortunately it is in a country where cost of living is significantly lower than here, so geo-arbitrage is working at my disadvantage.

I considered to sell the property to someone else instead of than my tenant. I am not too attached to it, but I would prefer not to give him the notice. Anyway it is still something I am pondering.

I reckon I am paying in the region of 500/600 just in pure interest which is the part which is frustrating me the most.

I would rather get some extra income somehow rather than relocating to a cheaper accommodation, which anyway it is not excluded
 
@forestux Having my income here and the property abroad makes my position weak on both countries. 10/15 k would be sufficient to make my situation bearable
 
@buzzard Wouldn't think this be straightforward but specialist advice could help you find a solution. 20k would transform your situation. Do you have any family or relatives connected with your property that might take a half share or anything like that?
 
@forestux
Do you have any family or relatives connected with your property that might take a half share or anything like that?

Well I could (should?) ask for help (low rate loan) within my family. That would be probably a good financial decision, I have just to accept the psychological cost
 
@buzzard I think the big problem is that you have too many things. Not just the amount of debt. The number of different things is causing you stress also as you are having to juggle them all.

Taking your list:

Bank1 Loan - Outstanding balance: € 12.000 @ 10.9 % (monthly repayment 386)

Bank2 Loan – Outstanding balance: € 200 @ 13.4 % (monthly repayment 105). Final payment end of November

Bank3 Loan – Outstanding balance: € 1800 @ 0 % until Feb'24, 20% afterward (monthly repayment 100).

Avantmoney – Revolving Credit Card – Outstanding Balance € 7000 @ 20% (min repayment 180)

Foreign Credit Card – Revolving Credit Card – Outstanding Balance € 6500 @ 18 % (monthly repayment 210)

Bank1 - Agreed Overdraft € 2500 @ 15%

Bank2 - Agreed Overdraft € 1000 @ 15%

You ideally want to add another 6k to your Bank1 loan. Then use that to pay off - Bank2 loan, Bank3 loan, Bank1 overdraft, Bank2 overdraft. Then cancel Bank2 overdraft facility.

So you are now down to:

Bank1loan - €18,000 - monthly repayments the same, €400, just repaid over longer time period

Avantmoney - €7,000 - existing repayment €180.

Foreign Credit card - €6,500 - existing repayment €210.

Instantly thats now vastly easier to conceptualise. You only have to keep track of three repayments a month instead of seven. You also have the backup of the unused overdraft with Bank1 in case things go wrong. Plus you are making €200 a month less in repayments.

That €200 a month needs to go only to AvantMoney. You need to focus on one debt at a time and learn the joy of seeing it being paid down. So now rather than just paying off the interest on this you are seeing it actually fall. Try to get the monthly repayment on this up towards €700 - so scrounge up a few hundred extra from somewhere. Your income should support this. If you moved into shared accommodation you would have this up over a grand in monthly repayments and its fully done and you're on to the second credit card before the summer of next year.

Consolidate then pay off. Good luck!!
 
@killalljewishpeople2934 This feels intuitive but surely it's not the best solution? OP should calculate which loan is incurring the largest monthly interest and 100% focus on paying that off while doing nothing more than minimum payments on the rest, and once that is cleared move on to the next highest, etc.

Your suggestion might reduce stress a little by simplifying the variables but it costs more. You are leaving the two credit cards - generating 1400/year and 1170/year, respectively - until last, while prioritising, for example, a loan that is 0% interest until February next year.
 
@killalljewishpeople2934
I think the big problem is that you have too many things. Not just the amount of debt. The number of different things is causing you stress also as you are having to juggle them all.

you are correct saying that all those moving parts are generating additional stress, and I admit it affected my wellbeing/mental health. This is basically my sole/main underling thought in the back of my mind for months and months.

Said so, part of the mess (created by me anyway) is due to the fact those elements are spread across 3 jurisdictions: 1,2,4,6 are in Ireland, 3 in UK and 5,7 in the foreign country where my rented property is
 
@buzzard >Overall Comment/Thank you

Best of luck OP, I would say a fair few people on this sub have been in your shoes at one time or other. I know I have and while it takes a bit of work to be financially independent, you can turn stuff around
 
@buzzard In fairness you’re doing alright. I had similar monthly payments (although about half the debt, shorter term) and wasn’t earning that going into last recession. Do up a fancy google sheets, find out your monthly interest for each loan. On top of my repayments I put in an extra 1000 on pay day to highest interest loan then went home straight and watched tub or stuff on internet, rarely went out. Once highest interest loan was repaid I started on next with the extra 1000 plus the repayment I had on the loan, wasn’t long about getting that down and the last loan flew. Nearly a year I think but last payment was the best day. Been debt free since. With interest rates rising you need to really start making a dent on it, nothing better than seeing the interest drop dramatically every quarter. Best of luck
 
Actually initially my repayments weren’t more than you, my mistake. Concentrate on savings over extra income because unless it’s cash you’re on the higher level. Get out of Dublin if you can. You can claim tax back on train tickets. Make own lunch and bring own flask if you have to. It’ll be worth it
 
@buzzard
  1. Lock away all the credit cards.
  2. Make at least minimum payment to each loan.
  3. Start paying off the biggest interest loans first.
  4. Also suggest paying for smaller loans asap which helps to focus on bigger ones and gives a bit of mental relief.
  5. Stick to the strict schedule of making necessary payments first and then only spend the remainder on good to have things.
  6. Automate the loan repayment schedule to the next day of your salary.
All this wouldn’t work unless you do this with discipline, this phase shall pass but will definitely take some time. Treat yourself once in a while as this is just a bad phase and will last a bit longer but NOT forever.

I hope you’re out of this debt sooner and all the best to you.
 
@buzzard Every spare cent you have should be going into the debt. I wouldn't spread it around either. Pay off the smallest one first, and as soon as you do set up a direct debit for the repayment amount of the smallest one into the next loan and so on and so forth.
 
@buzzard Sell the property.

31k of debt are costing you more than what the property is generating and the property will also need maintenance over time which you do not have the flexibility to face if it is extraordinary.

Reinvest in financial instruments the exceeding value and cancel all credit cards, you clearly had some problems managing them and they are not good for you, especially the revolving ones can become traps (and they certainly have in this case, you are lucky that you have an asset to bail yourself out).

In a year you should be able to buy back again in the property market again if you think that's how you want to invest your money but at the moment it is hard to beat the interest rates you are paying, it does not make sense to keep money tied down in any other investment.

P.s.: if selling the property proves challenging then I would suggest taking a loan against the property using it as collateral.
 
@buzzard This is not financial advice. That being said I work in high finance.

In my opinion the debt you’ve undertaken seems very expensive. Keep the house.

In order of preference:
  1. You should be looking to consolidate all these into 1 bank/lender. You can entice a bank/credit institution into doing this by agreeing a higher than normal rate for them. But a lower than current rate for you. (I feel that the debt you’ve sourced may be expensive due to an unmentioned underlying issue? Previous history of bad debts or bankruptcy? Gambling?) If thats the case they’re less likely to consolidate. Check all institutions post office, credit union, all banks including the ones in the country you own the other property I assume your foreign banks will have a more favourable interest given that the rental property is 350 return I’m assuming you come from some sort of eastern block country or maybe its just a small house in central Europe. Either way ALL financial institutions.
  2. Re-mortgage your second property. Keep the asset as you can use it to lend against in future. It also adds to your income for future loans as well as just a generally nice extra bit of cash. You’ll have cheaper debt and a much more realistic time period to cover it in. Again check ALL financial institutions.
  3. If your renting ask to sub-let or ask the landlord if someone else can move in. Yes it’s only one bedroom again I’m assuming it’s Dublin for that price. So long as its not a studio you can get a pull-out bed in the sitting room and rent it very cheaply. You can sub-let or let the landlord split rents. I.e reduce yours to 1000 and the person on the sofa bed pays 500. Landlords rent increase by 200 and yours drops by 300. Bonus: Someone gets housed :) This also bring your bills down to 60% (I say this because if your living in the bedroom its a bit more fair you pay a little more of the bills in my opinion).
Again assuming you live in Dublin w the price you pay for rent how badly do you need the car? If your not able to find a side hustle that would suggest your only using the car for work? No kids or hubby/wife? Is it possible to get up a bit earlier and deal with public transport for 18 months? Use some of the money on a good bike if needs be and the rest straight to most expensive debt.

General Lifestyle changes and tips:

SELL YOUR DATA. Tesco is a great example of how they want your data by offering a MUCH lower price for club card members. Wherever you shop just join it and use the vouchers. If the government or big brother really wanted to know whats going on they would. Tell these random corporations your DOB and what flavour of chocolate you like they just stick it in an algorithm

Ask for more money in work minimum wage has just gone up. How long have you worked there maybe your entitled to a raise have you taken on extra duties has someone left? Whats the market paying for your job?

Exploit your gym membership for showers to keep electric low.

Same for charging phone. Charge at work too.

If you do end up selling the car to deal with public transport for a little while thats a huge cost reduction. Again clear most expensive debt first.

If you start using the gym properly your diet and shopping habits should start to follow. You can get that down to €100/€120 a month. Keep the meals simple and clean and cook the same meals in bulk.

Cook 1
Meal 1 rice, Chicken, 1 veg, sauce x 2

Cook 2
Meal 2 pasta, beef, 1 veg, sauce x3
Meal 3 shepard’s pie or stew x 2
(use the beef from the pasta buy a large portion thats a cheaper cut for stew)

This saves energy too. So rather than the oven cooking 7 meals a week at 40 minutes each. It goes on twice at 40 minutes and the microwave for 5/10 mins for the rest. Again use the gym and the office for the microwave too.

If your company pays for a gym i’d hazard a guess they probably have some breakfast on offer. If they dont you buy the cheapest bag of oats and leave it in the office. Use their milk and microwave.

If you still need more showers or to wash clothes or need to use electric at home do it after 7 or on weekends for cheaper rates.

Avoid the dishwasher and wash by hand.

Use blankets not heating over the next few weeks until it gets REALLY cold.

Google casual jobs for a side hustle. If you still cant get one offer your services on fiver, your social medias too.

If you’ve been going out on weekend it just needs to stop simply put for the next year or two. Reign it in as much as possible. If somehow you still dont get a side job you can volunteer. Do something you enjoy like a sport. Its very rewarding and a great way to spend your free time rather than doing the typical irish thing of slugging pints all weekend. (Which i fully get but just think we could all be doing so much more if we didnt do it as often) :(

Kill off any dead subscriptions.

Consult with MABS

Hopefully some of that helps and this last part really is going to be a kick in the teeth but I feel like you really havent looked for a second job or are just a bit too prideful to take a “lesser” job. I.e cleaner, stacking shelves, bartender, waiter etc. Swallow your pride and do it for a year or so. If the jobs unsuitable after 6 weeks just leave and dont put it on your CV. Your already in a full time job. You dont need to talk about 6 weeks at tescos on your cv or wherever. If they cant move the hours just keep jumping until somewhere can.
 

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