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@godbeliever1980 i was thinking the same. it's the wife that needs convincing.. do you any links you can recommend to read through?

@oneiric1975 our combined net income is 140k. can even afford buying a car. with three kids 1 sr high, 1 jr high and 1 in middle school, life insurance for most of us, although we indulge in what we want but still. it's crazy to think that even a second hand car about 1m would leave us second...