@xc37 Lol, 1600 wohnen, 210 steuern. Get a grip. 4.5 room apartments in Bern and agglo below 2k is delusional. I pay 15% taxes although we have a kid, wife at home with the kid, so no kita and I can make the full kinderabzug. I have a säule 3a and pay in the full amount. 1k in geoceries is...